Aiding Depressed Members: Need some help - Guild Wars Forums

Racthoh · Nov 04, 2005, 06:17 AM // 06:17

Recently one of my member's attitudes has changed dramatically. He signed on today, and for the strangest reason just started saying how useless he was to the guild. He then continued on, saying his life was a living hell because he was poor, he hates the way his armor looks, hates his weapon, and basically felt like everyone else in the guild was giving him a tough time.

I tried approaching it in two ways. First I tried to just talk to him and tell him to check our site and fansites for builds to farm, as did the other members who were on at the time. His reply was basically the same thing as he said before and it was as if he wasn't even listening. At which point, I tried a more direct, and aggressive attitude to try to lift his spirits. He logged off after saying wtf.

So basically I don't know what to do. In the past he never had problems with me lending him gold, or splitting what we find when we would farm. He would always listen to the advice I gave him, but now... I'm at a loss for words. He won't ask for help, nor will he accept any we offer.

My fellow leaders, any thoughts? Have you ever encountered a similar situation?

Finch · Nov 04, 2005, 11:45 AM // 11:45

I would say just leave him alone until he feels better. It might just be a week until he feels better.

striderkaaru · Nov 04, 2005, 02:53 PM // 14:53

i agree with finch.

when i first read your thread title, i thought your guildmate was depressed in real life and that you noticed it while playing online. the way you described it, he's just depressed about his online situation. just give him time. he's probably sorting through other issues and is projecting it in gw.

the best thing you could probably do is remind him that it's just a game. there's no reason to be so upset about having little gold, ugly armor, or a crappy weapon.

the only real issue might be his complaints about how the rest of the guild has been treating him. from what you have observed, do you think it's true? that may be the only thing that needs to be addressed, but it needs to be done with the other members. a person shouldn't feel unwelcome in his own guild.

Lelenia · Nov 04, 2005, 03:20 PM // 15:20

I would agree that likely he just needs some space. However, as striderkaaru mentioned, if he truly does feel that he's not welcome in the guild it may warrant an offline (i.e. in whispers or email) conversation about his feeling and if he has any specific examples of what's making him feel that way. Then you would want to handle it however your guild has in the past or by what you have set up for a grievance policy..either officer intervention or by encouraging him to speak to the other member<s> who are causing him pain.

On a side note, it is a game. And don't let yourself get sucked into the role of needing to make sure he is happy in the game or in real life. That's not your role as a guild leader and could surely make you miserable. You should as a leader facilitate an environment that fosters a positive guild experience, but you can't be responsible for each individual beyond that. Remind yourself too that it's a game and have fun. When you see him online, try not to feed into his depressed attitude by using redirection and inviting him along on groups steering the conversation to having fun.

Good luck.

EternalTempest · Nov 04, 2005, 03:43 PM // 15:43

It sounds to me that there is something going on with him in RL and it's affecting him in game. I agree with everyone except ProjectForNewAmericanCent. He will either turn around or quite GW but I strongly get the feeling it's something with RL.

Don't kick him, give him some space, don't try to push the issue but be receptive if he starts getting chatty.

Loviatar · Nov 04, 2005, 04:11 PM // 16:11

the people who say this is just a little passing phaze are pardon the rudeness *have your heads so far up you need oxygen piped in through your navel*

the original OP is right to be concerned

again apologies for the rudeness but .............

EDIT

send him a PM stating that anytime he wants to talk you will answer as best you can and as honestly as you can.

then follow through if he does

also Lelenia advice has merit on getting involved over your head as well

it is your call so look before you leap and thank you for at least being concerned

smurfhunter · Nov 04, 2005, 07:42 PM // 19:42

if i ever see that in someone i point and laugh, sorry.

Sofonisba · Nov 04, 2005, 08:32 PM // 20:32

I have dealt with depressed people IRL enough to know that, unless you are a professional, there is not a whole lot you can say or do to make things better or worse.

This situation is difficult to read. Ask around whether anyone else has noticed a change in the guy's behavior. If he really is depressed, there will be a pattern emerging from all accounts. If however no one noticed anything at all, it may be that there's nothing wrong, or that people don't like him, ignore him or treat him badly.

If you can pinpoint a specific grievance or personality that is upsetting him, that's probably a good thing.

If it's a vague list of "everything about my real life and gw is just awful and nothing will ever get better," you may need to encourage some professional help. The fact that a game is the mechanism through which he expresses his pain, does not make it less real. Depressed people don't leave it at the door, they'll go ahead and bring it on in and sit it down beside them at the computer.

It is really hard, because we all play the game to have fun, de-stress and fantasize. Being leader of a guild, woohoo!

Then... suddenly you have a LOT of people's feelings and expectations and actions depending on you. (I tell you, I never signed up for this!)

Unfortunately, in your (our) position, we simply cannot do a lot. Most times we have no guaranteed way of figuring out who people are IRL, or how to contact them or a family member if necessary. There is only so much that you can do, and you do all you can, and forgive yourself for not doing more.

Josh · Nov 04, 2005, 08:39 PM // 20:39

Heh.

I feel like my armour is crap and I'm poor (i am), but I'm not gonna go cry or have a sulk over it, I just find the game boring at the moment now because I've done all the missions and GW say this isn't a grinding game, believe me it is, I have to go through SF or whatever constantly to get XP or green drops (i never do, and yes I do zone out to other places for a few hours so my drops aren't 'nerfed')...Can't find anything interesting at the moment...hmm...need to make a build or try a new one out...

Ciao.

Sofonisba · Nov 04, 2005, 08:48 PM // 20:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Josh

Heh.

I feel like my armour is crap and I'm poor (i am), but I'm not gonna go cry or have a sulk over it, I just find the game boring at the moment now because I've done all the missions and GW say this isn't a grinding game, believe me it is, I have to go through SF or whatever constantly to get XP or green drops (i never do, and yes I do zone out to other places for a few hours so my drops aren't 'nerfed')...Can't find anything interesting at the moment...hmm...need to make a build or try a new one out...

Ciao.

I'm sure you have helped the OP tremendously with your sage advice.

Here is a leader who really cares about a member, but he's at the end of his rope. YOU should be so lucky as to have someone care.

A truly depressed person doesn't decide whether or not to have a sulk. It is what it is. Being depressed, if this person is, will not be affected by getting a lot of gold or a good drop. That would be whiny and spoiled, not depressed.

Josh · Nov 04, 2005, 08:50 PM // 20:50

What do you mean by,

"I'm sure you have helped the OP tremendously with your sage advice."
...?
+ Who's OP?
+ Is that sarcasm?

Hoyt · Nov 04, 2005, 09:07 PM // 21:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by EternalTempest

It sounds to me that there is something going on with him in RL and it's affecting him in game. I agree with everyone except ProjectForNewAmericanCent. He will either turn around or quite GW but I strongly get the feeling it's something with RL.

Don't kick him, give him some space, don't try to push the issue but be receptive if he starts getting chatty.

EternalTempest hit the nail on the head.

It isn't the game...it is life.
Your guildmate is probably just displacing frustration from real life and using the game as a outlet. He probably isn't even aware of the parallel.
Chances are that the fellow uses the game as a means of escape and as something that he feels he has control over versus lack of control in real life.
Something has thrown that out of whack and he doesn't have the control over it.
There really isn't anything you can do except be what you are, a guild mate and hopefully friend.
Chances are it will pass, but if he does something rash like drop from the guild, be prepared to invite him back without making a deal about it.
It is just a game, but a lot of people find sactuary in the world of pixels and data.
(Hmmm, am I displacing my own experience?)
*passes the babble stick to the next poster*

striderkaaru · Nov 04, 2005, 09:12 PM // 21:12

@loviatar
you need to chill out, dude. it's one thing to be concerned about a noticed change in behavior and another to get so worked up about a single episode. sometimes, people have bad days. these things do pass, and the best thing to do is just to give them space. as sofonisba said, there isn't really much you can do as much as you may want to play hero. unless this kind of behavior continues, there is no reason to get ultra worked up about it.

you can't jump to conclusions when it was based on only one exchange.

honestly, the best course of action would be to just watch his behavior over the course of a few days. maybe it will pass, maybe it won't. just be mindful.

if it does continue, it could be one of two things:
1 - he really is sad about his ingame situation. in this case, there is absolutely nothing you can do other than remind him it is just a game. if he can't realize that and just play to have fun, that's his issue and there's nothing you can do short of giving him everything he wants.

2 - he really may be depressed in real life and is just projecting it ingame. if this is the case, the best thing racthoh can say will be: "hey, i've noticed a big change in your behavior lately. is anything bothering you? do you want to talk about it?"

get behind the scenes. trying to help him solve his ingame issues will just be glancing the surface. it may not be your business to get into personal matters, but it never hurts to ask. but as lelenia said, don't get too involved, but there's a chance he may just need someone to talk to.

however, i stand by my first post that there is little reason to get overly concerned after only one day. watch him and the rest of the guild closely. just be attentive.

and definitely watch the behavior of guild members regarding him to see if his concerns about his treatment are warranted. you can also ask if there was any event in particular that caused this.

Sofonisba · Nov 04, 2005, 09:15 PM // 21:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Josh

What do you mean by,

"I'm sure you have helped the OP tremendously with your sage advice."
...?
+ Who's OP?
+ Is that sarcasm?

OP means original poster.

Yes, I was being sarcastic.

I apologize, I normally refrain from flaming.

But I am particularly sensitive to the helplessness one feels when dealing with TRUE depression, which, based on the information given, it is possible his guildie has. The OP is concerned enough to post on a forum, seriously asking for help.

You obviously have never encountered a real depressed person, but chances are you will when you get a little older. It's not easy, and it's not trivial.

Billiard · Nov 04, 2005, 10:12 PM // 22:12

I think this is a useful topic to discuss - please keep posts on topic here.

Thanks!

That said, I think a lot of new people hit the wall where they are not knowledgeable enough to get everything they want (in terms of items, money, armour). We all were that way at some point. Maybe giving the person some very specific build and farming information that they can work on and perfect would help. If they have some small successes and see the light at the end of the tunnel I would imagine they will end up pulling out of their funk.

A lot of times people will make pleas like that in order to get attention and/or help. I would stay away from direct handouts and stick with giving them means to improves themselves.

PrincessKyra · Nov 04, 2005, 11:18 PM // 23:18

I strongly agree with Billiard's advice.

I remember a time when I was so frustrated because I couldn't farm efficiently enough for a steady income. To make things worse, I had so-called friends who would constantly brag about how many armor sets or gold weapons they had. They were nice enough to give me unwanted weapons/runes/craft items. They were nice enough to point me to farming locations where I would die in 2 seconds. However, nobody was willing to teach me the farming skills to truly farm on my own. I played for several weeks with this great frustration. When I finally found a friend who introduced me to balthazar's spirit and zealot's fire, I was able kill monsters in a timely manor without dying. Since then, I found ways to get everything I wanted in the game, and I could plan how long it would take me. Being able to plan and work towards my goals really made me enjoy the game 100% more.

Racthoh, have you verified that this person truly knows how to farm after reading the websites that you gave him? I suspect he doesn't really know how to farm efficiently, and he just needs some 1 on 1 guidance on how to use the skills/attributes/armor/weapons to farm efficiently. Perhaps you could witness how he solos griffins outside augury. Augury griffins are probably the most popular way of earning steady income. If he can do this with ease, then I think he has a different problem.

nimloth32 · Nov 06, 2005, 05:00 PM // 17:00

i agreed. However, depends on how you describe him, i think he has different problem not with online environment..since he got such a good guild

fubar121 · Nov 06, 2005, 05:27 PM // 17:27

Ok for all the F*CK wads who say boohoo and "I'd point and laugh" Lets think about this for a minute. If this person is really having a hard time mabye they are asking for help. Did you ever hear of peers? So mabye he is diplacing the actual depresion in game. What if this person is thinkin about hurting themselfs or worse. God forbid it. When people speak out its ussally a call for help. I would recomend being very suddle in this matter. keep talking to this person and try to let them know the things have a way of getting better in time. However I could be wrong just me 2 cents worth.

Xue Yi Liang · Nov 06, 2005, 05:58 PM // 17:58

If this is a temporary thing it's understandable - we've all been there before. But if this is just his personality then you've got a problem because you're stuck with him in the guild. It may sound insensitive but there are some people who are determined to convince everyone that life is unfair to them - even if it's just in a silly game.

The operative word is histrionics (look it up if you don't know it). In fact, most of their friends will feel more empathetic emotional burden than even themselves. Those people tend to suck up your time and energy. And there's nothing you can do to change them short of getting involved with their lives (Which I don't reccommend).

That's why we screen our guildies - mainly for personality and sense of humor. This is an online game and we just want to have a good time.

Amused Observer · Nov 06, 2005, 11:51 PM // 23:51

The best thing to do at this moment is. . . nothing. Observe the guilddie's contact and see if it deteriorates. If there comes a point where his conduct becomes a problem for the guild itself, you would need to step in firmly and cut the string.

Nov 04, 2005, 06:17 AM // 06:17	#1
Racthoh Did I hear 7 heroes? Join Date: May 2005 Guild: Scars Meadows [SMS], Guild Leader (Not Recruiting)	Aiding Depressed Members: Need some help Recently one of my member's attitudes has changed dramatically. He signed on today, and for the strangest reason just started saying how useless he was to the guild. He then continued on, saying his life was a living hell because he was poor, he hates the way his armor looks, hates his weapon, and basically felt like everyone else in the guild was giving him a tough time. I tried approaching it in two ways. First I tried to just talk to him and tell him to check our site and fansites for builds to farm, as did the other members who were on at the time. His reply was basically the same thing as he said before and it was as if he wasn't even listening. At which point, I tried a more direct, and aggressive attitude to try to lift his spirits. He logged off after saying wtf. So basically I don't know what to do. In the past he never had problems with me lending him gold, or splitting what we find when we would farm. He would always listen to the advice I gave him, but now... I'm at a loss for words. He won't ask for help, nor will he accept any we offer. My fellow leaders, any thoughts? Have you ever encountered a similar situation?

Nov 04, 2005, 03:43 PM // 15:43	#5
EternalTempest Furnace Stoker Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: United States Guild: Dark Side Ofthe Moon [DSM] Profession: E/	It sounds to me that there is something going on with him in RL and it's affecting him in game. I agree with everyone except ProjectForNewAmericanCent. He will either turn around or quite GW but I strongly get the feeling it's something with RL. Don't kick him, give him some space, don't try to push the issue but be receptive if he starts getting chatty. Last edited by EternalTempest; Nov 04, 2005 at 03:46 PM // 15:46..

Nov 04, 2005, 04:11 PM // 16:11	#6
Loviatar Underworld Spelunker Join Date: Feb 2005	the people who say this is just a little passing phaze are pardon the rudeness have your heads so far up you need oxygen piped in through your navel the original OP is right to be concerned again apologies for the rudeness but ............. EDIT send him a PM stating that anytime he wants to talk you will answer as best you can and as honestly as you can. then follow through if he does also Lelenia advice has merit on getting involved over your head as well it is your call so look before you leap and thank you for at least being concerned Last edited by Loviatar; Nov 04, 2005 at 04:17 PM // 16:17..

Nov 04, 2005, 11:45 AM // 11:45	#2
Finch Academy Page Join Date: Aug 2005 Guild: Accident Prone [AP]	I would say just leave him alone until he feels better. It might just be a week until he feels better.

Nov 04, 2005, 02:53 PM // 14:53	#3
striderkaaru Desert Nomad Join Date: Aug 2005 Guild: Scars Meadows [SMS], Retired Officer Profession: W/	i agree with finch. when i first read your thread title, i thought your guildmate was depressed in real life and that you noticed it while playing online. the way you described it, he's just depressed about his online situation. just give him time. he's probably sorting through other issues and is projecting it in gw. the best thing you could probably do is remind him that it's just a game. there's no reason to be so upset about having little gold, ugly armor, or a crappy weapon. the only real issue might be his complaints about how the rest of the guild has been treating him. from what you have observed, do you think it's true? that may be the only thing that needs to be addressed, but it needs to be done with the other members. a person shouldn't feel unwelcome in his own guild.

Nov 04, 2005, 03:20 PM // 15:20	#4
Lelenia Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: May 2005 Location: Minneapolis MN Guild: Knights of the Scorched Earth Profession: Mo/	I would agree that likely he just needs some space. However, as striderkaaru mentioned, if he truly does feel that he's not welcome in the guild it may warrant an offline (i.e. in whispers or email) conversation about his feeling and if he has any specific examples of what's making him feel that way. Then you would want to handle it however your guild has in the past or by what you have set up for a grievance policy..either officer intervention or by encouraging him to speak to the other member<s> who are causing him pain. On a side note, it is a game. And don't let yourself get sucked into the role of needing to make sure he is happy in the game or in real life. That's not your role as a guild leader and could surely make you miserable. You should as a leader facilitate an environment that fosters a positive guild experience, but you can't be responsible for each individual beyond that. Remind yourself too that it's a game and have fun. When you see him online, try not to feed into his depressed attitude by using redirection and inviting him along on groups steering the conversation to having fun. Good luck.

Nov 04, 2005, 07:42 PM // 19:42	#7
smurfhunter Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: my w/mo uses mending, orison, and healing breeze. you cant kill him. Guild: Sand Scorpions [SS] Profession: W/Mo	if i ever see that in someone i point and laugh, sorry.

Nov 04, 2005, 08:32 PM // 20:32	#8
Sofonisba Desert Nomad Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Tucson, AZ Guild: The Black Hand Gang [BHG] and The Black Helm Gang [BHeG]	I have dealt with depressed people IRL enough to know that, unless you are a professional, there is not a whole lot you can say or do to make things better or worse. This situation is difficult to read. Ask around whether anyone else has noticed a change in the guy's behavior. If he really is depressed, there will be a pattern emerging from all accounts. If however no one noticed anything at all, it may be that there's nothing wrong, or that people don't like him, ignore him or treat him badly. If you can pinpoint a specific grievance or personality that is upsetting him, that's probably a good thing. If it's a vague list of "everything about my real life and gw is just awful and nothing will ever get better," you may need to encourage some professional help. The fact that a game is the mechanism through which he expresses his pain, does not make it less real. Depressed people don't leave it at the door, they'll go ahead and bring it on in and sit it down beside them at the computer. It is really hard, because we all play the game to have fun, de-stress and fantasize. Being leader of a guild, woohoo! Then... suddenly you have a LOT of people's feelings and expectations and actions depending on you. (I tell you, I never signed up for this!) Unfortunately, in your (our) position, we simply cannot do a lot. Most times we have no guaranteed way of figuring out who people are IRL, or how to contact them or a family member if necessary. There is only so much that you can do, and you do all you can, and forgive yourself for not doing more.

Nov 04, 2005, 08:39 PM // 20:39	#9
Josh Desert Nomad Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: England, UK Profession: D/Mo	Heh. I feel like my armour is crap and I'm poor (i am), but I'm not gonna go cry or have a sulk over it, I just find the game boring at the moment now because I've done all the missions and GW say this isn't a grinding game, believe me it is, I have to go through SF or whatever constantly to get XP or green drops (i never do, and yes I do zone out to other places for a few hours so my drops aren't 'nerfed')...Can't find anything interesting at the moment...hmm...need to make a build or try a new one out... Ciao.

Nov 04, 2005, 08:50 PM // 20:50	#11
Josh Desert Nomad Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: England, UK Profession: D/Mo	What do you mean by, "I'm sure you have helped the OP tremendously with your sage advice." ...? + Who's OP? + Is that sarcasm?

Nov 04, 2005, 09:12 PM // 21:12	#13
striderkaaru Desert Nomad Join Date: Aug 2005 Guild: Scars Meadows [SMS], Retired Officer Profession: W/	@loviatar you need to chill out, dude. it's one thing to be concerned about a noticed change in behavior and another to get so worked up about a single episode. sometimes, people have bad days. these things do pass, and the best thing to do is just to give them space. as sofonisba said, there isn't really much you can do as much as you may want to play hero. unless this kind of behavior continues, there is no reason to get ultra worked up about it. you can't jump to conclusions when it was based on only one exchange. honestly, the best course of action would be to just watch his behavior over the course of a few days. maybe it will pass, maybe it won't. just be mindful. if it does continue, it could be one of two things: 1 - he really is sad about his ingame situation. in this case, there is absolutely nothing you can do other than remind him it is just a game. if he can't realize that and just play to have fun, that's his issue and there's nothing you can do short of giving him everything he wants. 2 - he really may be depressed in real life and is just projecting it ingame. if this is the case, the best thing racthoh can say will be: "hey, i've noticed a big change in your behavior lately. is anything bothering you? do you want to talk about it?" get behind the scenes. trying to help him solve his ingame issues will just be glancing the surface. it may not be your business to get into personal matters, but it never hurts to ask. but as lelenia said, don't get too involved, but there's a chance he may just need someone to talk to. however, i stand by my first post that there is little reason to get overly concerned after only one day. watch him and the rest of the guild closely. just be attentive. and definitely watch the behavior of guild members regarding him to see if his concerns about his treatment are warranted. you can also ask if there was any event in particular that caused this.

Nov 04, 2005, 10:12 PM // 22:12	#15
Billiard Doctor of Philosophy Join Date: May 2005 Location: Pacific Northwest Guild: Team Love [kiSu] www.teamlove.us	I think this is a useful topic to discuss - please keep posts on topic here. Thanks! That said, I think a lot of new people hit the wall where they are not knowledgeable enough to get everything they want (in terms of items, money, armour). We all were that way at some point. Maybe giving the person some very specific build and farming information that they can work on and perfect would help. If they have some small successes and see the light at the end of the tunnel I would imagine they will end up pulling out of their funk. A lot of times people will make pleas like that in order to get attention and/or help. I would stay away from direct handouts and stick with giving them means to improves themselves.

Nov 04, 2005, 11:18 PM // 23:18	#16
PrincessKyra Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: Crystal Mansion [CM] Profession: W/	I strongly agree with Billiard's advice. I remember a time when I was so frustrated because I couldn't farm efficiently enough for a steady income. To make things worse, I had so-called friends who would constantly brag about how many armor sets or gold weapons they had. They were nice enough to give me unwanted weapons/runes/craft items. They were nice enough to point me to farming locations where I would die in 2 seconds. However, nobody was willing to teach me the farming skills to truly farm on my own. I played for several weeks with this great frustration. When I finally found a friend who introduced me to balthazar's spirit and zealot's fire, I was able kill monsters in a timely manor without dying. Since then, I found ways to get everything I wanted in the game, and I could plan how long it would take me. Being able to plan and work towards my goals really made me enjoy the game 100% more. Racthoh, have you verified that this person truly knows how to farm after reading the websites that you gave him? I suspect he doesn't really know how to farm efficiently, and he just needs some 1 on 1 guidance on how to use the skills/attributes/armor/weapons to farm efficiently. Perhaps you could witness how he solos griffins outside augury. Augury griffins are probably the most popular way of earning steady income. If he can do this with ease, then I think he has a different problem.

Nov 06, 2005, 05:00 PM // 17:00	#17
nimloth32 Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Oct 2005 Guild: Celestial Order Profession: W/Mo	i agreed. However, depends on how you describe him, i think he has different problem not with online environment..since he got such a good guild

Nov 06, 2005, 05:27 PM // 17:27	#18
fubar121 Academy Page Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: 9Th layor of hell Guild: The Butchers of Ascalon [BoA] Profession: R/Me	Ok for all the F*CK wads who say boohoo and "I'd point and laugh" Lets think about this for a minute. If this person is really having a hard time mabye they are asking for help. Did you ever hear of peers? So mabye he is diplacing the actual depresion in game. What if this person is thinkin about hurting themselfs or worse. God forbid it. When people speak out its ussally a call for help. I would recomend being very suddle in this matter. keep talking to this person and try to let them know the things have a way of getting better in time. However I could be wrong just me 2 cents worth.

Nov 06, 2005, 05:58 PM // 17:58	#19
Xue Yi Liang Jungle Guide Join Date: May 2005 Location: Northern CA Guild: Outlaws of the Water Margin Profession: Mo/Me	If this is a temporary thing it's understandable - we've all been there before. But if this is just his personality then you've got a problem because you're stuck with him in the guild. It may sound insensitive but there are some people who are determined to convince everyone that life is unfair to them - even if it's just in a silly game. The operative word is histrionics (look it up if you don't know it). In fact, most of their friends will feel more empathetic emotional burden than even themselves. Those people tend to suck up your time and energy. And there's nothing you can do to change them short of getting involved with their lives (Which I don't reccommend). That's why we screen our guildies - mainly for personality and sense of humor. This is an online game and we just want to have a good time.

Nov 06, 2005, 11:51 PM // 23:51	#20
Amused Observer Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Aug 2005	The best thing to do at this moment is. . . nothing. Observe the guilddie's contact and see if it deteriorates. If there comes a point where his conduct becomes a problem for the guild itself, you would need to step in firmly and cut the string.